Truth of World War2

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Brian Doty
Brian Doty1 week ago (edited)
I’ve watch this video twice, read a lot of the comments. I finally figured it out. This is a conspiracy video. New world order, Illuminati, holocaust deniers etc. You can say primary source, but if that’s true there are a lot of alien witness we need to interview. Come on these are all opinions or unreliable assertions. Or they were said by politicians who were trying to separate themselves from the West, and at that point I’m sure you could find a few saying Hitler was a spy for the British. Okay well this has been fun and all, but every nation has atrocities behind them. WW2 was an orgy of them. The victors definitely came out smelling more like roses than the defeated, but I am sorry Japan Germany…. WW2 was not a just war for you guys. It wasn’t for anyone really. Japan did horrible things to try to win and keep the soldiers happy. We must never forget or deny the horrors that our ancestors brought upon the world or else we are doomed to repeat them. Evil is like goodness they do not always have a reasonably pure motive nor are they explainable. We search for a way to turn evil into goodness and visa versa, but the truth is what matters and yes after investigating sometimes the story we are told happens to be the truth (just rarely the whole truth).
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Five Roses
Five Roses1 week ago
You are obviously wrong. Actually, Southeast Asian countries could get independence from arrogant England, France and Netherlands after the WW2. For example, after the defeat of Japan, the Japanese soldiers who had remained in Indonesia fought against Netherlands together with Indonesian soldiers for an independence of Indonesia, even though the cunning US had ordered Japanese soldiers to suppress Indonesian independence movement. You never never know true history wiped off by the cunning US.
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Brian Doty
Brian Doty1 week ago
No you’re wrong :p (kidding). I appreciate your response, though I am a little confused. Of course Southeastern Asian countries could get independence from the West after WW2. Is this what you were referring to when you declared that I was obviously wrong? If so let me elaborate on what I meant maybe I wasn’t very clear :). I was saying that a lot of the quotes used were from people trying to separate themselves from the west, thus were going to have a skewed belief. It’s like in WW1 the British used propaganda saying Germans were going after nuns and raping them in order to make the Germans look evil. I only meant that these should not be taken as gospel, but rather individuals with their own belief that (like Americans or whoever) are skewed due to environmental teachings. As an American I do not say my land was/is holy. During the cold war America wanted everybody to be dependent on the West. It’s cruel. However, my point was that we must accept that evilness exists throughout humanity no nation is pure and untainted. This video seems to be wanting to show Japan and the Japanese are pure, untainted. I say they are human thus can never be entirely pure…. join the club :p Hopefully, that was a little more clear. If not please be a little more specific to what you are referring to 🙂 good wishes :)
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Brian Doty
Brian Doty1 week ago
A follow up… If your referring to “You never never know true history wiped off by the cunning US.” Yes, yes you do know. No lie is kept a lie forever. The universe plays to a song and usually at least someone hears an out of tune note. I do not believe all that is told is the truth, but most lies must have bits of truth in order to make the lies more powerful. The world is not a lie around you, but rather made up of truths and lies. The truth will always shine brightest. The problem usually centers around the narrative and very rarely do you get a truly unbiased view because the unbiased view usually doesn’t care.
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yoshitsunekhan
yoshitsunekhan4 days ago
+Brian Doty
Your conclusion is “Japan did horrible acts worse than that of US, so this video is conspiracy”, right?
By what ground do you say Japan was worse than US?
Can you point out the horrible act Japan did which was worse than atomic bombs?
Nanking Massacre?
That has already proven to be lie, false charge. Nanking Massacre is rather a conspiracy.
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Brian Doty
Brian Doty4 days ago
“Your conclusion is Japan did horrible acts.” Yes. “worse than that of US.” No. “This video is conspiracy.” No but it does have that format. “Can you point out the horrible act Japan did which was worse than atomic bombs?” that wasn’t my point at all. You can never compare atrocities. Also, I thought the firebombing, America, did were worse than the nuke. Also like from 1945 to now is America’s time for atrocities. My point was we are all evil no more evil than the next. My problem is with this concept of the Nanking Massacre was all lies. It MIGHT have been a lie, fine. That is all. To say, you know, when you don’t, is wrong. My point is this video goes off of the old idea that my race, nationality or religion could never be as evil or crazy as those other humans. “The Westerners made it all up in order to make something beautiful, ugly.” Every nation that is not Western has, more or less, said this. Also, yes every western nation has said something similar about Asia or Africa as well. Everybody wants to be perceived as the good guy but in reality we all have done messed up things.

As far as it being a conspiracy type video. Please go watch conspiracy videos than come back. It reminds me of the JFk videos or the moon landing was fake videos. It’s a lot about format of a video on youtube. There was a quote from Stalin that said “I’ll never believe Hitler died.” That must mean Hitler is alive, I found a quote. Or Churchill said he would make a deal with the devil if it meant he would defeat Hitler. Obviously that means Churchill personally met the devil. Quotes are not definitive proof, especially when 90% have a problem with the West. That’s like I trust next to nothing the West says about the middle east. That was my point, it treated the quotes as if they couldn’t be wrong. People lie or are convinced by their own beliefs. Look how America messed up the world by fighting the “evil” communism.

I hope that cleared my thoughts on the topic. America and Japan are equals, occupied by people who are equal. Why I call this a conspiracy video is that it uses flimsy quotes, uses a black screen with white letters with dark music to set the tone, and is trying to “red pill” us. Whether the Nanking massacre happened, probably, but I too will not say I know for certain. I will say that when evil things occur we should not try to save the reputation of our country, if it means trying to erase part of history. one must be willing to accept that ones people and nation has done wrong in the past. yes America did really messed up things, still do. Hope we can have a friendly discussion on this :). though we may disagree, I respect you position completely.
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yoshitsunekhan
yoshitsunekhan4 days ago (edited)
In some part I agree with you,but in some part I disagree.

We must notice there is a bigger propaganda ,or we can say so, conspiracy that Japan was so evil to have slaughtered 300,000 innocent civilian in Nanking that US could get a pardon to drop atomic bombs.

Do you understand this propaganda or conspiracy, named “righteous view of history” ,that kept the world deceiving still now ?

In reality it was USA and Britain, Soviet, China that wanted the war against Japan. They literally conspired to cheat Japan into the war.

Above all,most important thing is about China. China is now deceiving all the world with using the smoke screen of Nanking Massacre . They are saying “we are justice army who repelled evil Japanese. Therefore we have a pardon to LIBERATE all other races like Tibetan Uigur,Mongolia, and they are still bullying here and there including Okinawa Japan and Viet-num,Philippine,Taiwan, Bhutan. They even began to say “we have right to rule western half of the pacific ocean” now.

The words and expression are more or less a part of “propaganda”. It is inevitably so from those real nature.
But there is world wide propaganda war now going on,what can we have other way to counter it without dramatized words or expression ?

We need another propaganda to crush other propaganda. If we cannot crush the propaganda,we would never stop the war from repeating.

Sorry for my poor English.
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Brian Doty
Brian Doty3 days ago
Thank you for being willing to disagree and not belligerent. Your English is great, no worries. I’m going to write this response then a small one about the nuke.

First, I think you were right to classify this as a propaganda war. The problem with propaganda wars are by then end of them no one knows the truth only the lies of the winning side. You argue that the USA Britain USSR and China conspired to commit a war against Japan. To me this seems reaching. It’s the old “everyone is against me” argument. Not to say it doesn’t happen, but it does breath doubt into the debate.

No one today likes China. As I am sure you know, after Communism and Mao, no one in the West sees China as an ally, more an unfortunately rich market. As I’m sure you know, most of the world sees China as a market and not much else. I think if you go into a room with Brits and Americans and say China is the army of justice, they will laugh you out of the room. Most people I’ve talked to about China during WW2 more say they were too incompetent to expel the Japanese. China is absolutely an expanding nation, I will agree all day long that “the Chinese must be stopped before it’s too late.” However this feeling doesn’t mean Japan is the liberators that you seem to imply (nor is America). Real quick I want to just say America is messed up by no means do I mean to imply America gets a free pass.

this is the problem with the propaganda wars. I can argue for hour and even days, that the rape of Nanking took place, as you could argue just as long the other way. We would both be able to amass enough evidence that we could convince the ignorant with no problem. However, this gets us no closer to the truth. My original thought was that you wanted to deny the Nanking rape because it made Japan look bad. However, you seem to be saying the Nanking rape creates a narrative that harms Japan’s ability to police the region. Am I correct in this belief?

Do you see how (as an American) I would make comparisons between this and the holocaust deniers? Do you believe in the holocaust? I only ask in order to see how many lies you believe were told at the end of the war, this is not meant as an insult.

I agree that propaganda is a powerful tool. However, I would suggest a different approach, if you still feel strongly that the propaganda war is needed. I would suggest staying away from a format that looks so much like you are about to tell me that the moon men took over the world in 45. I have researched many conspiracy’s because I agree that the west is the best at propaganda and changing history. However, the rape of nanking is not a conspiracy I can subscribe to.

this is very important……. The rape of nanking was not abnormal for war. The idea of comfort women and the other things Japan is accused of doing is not new. I don’t understand why it is important to say that this did not happen. Please inform me why this is important :).

Again, thank you for being respectful, while you disagree with me. I have found that, that is harder and harder to find :).
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Brian Doty
Brian Doty3 days ago
“We must notice there is a bigger propaganda ,or we can say so, conspiracy that Japan was so evil to have slaughtered 300,000 innocent civilian in Nanking that US could get a pardon to drop atomic bombs.”

I got to tell you, you obviously have never been to a western university. I am studying to be a historian (funny enough). I have had several classes that have talked about WW2. Never have I had any teacher or book say that America was right in dropping the bomb. In fact many of the books call it America’s greatest shame. We were building it to drop on Germany, but then the war ended. There has been tons of arguments on why it was dropped etc.

Was it the right thing to do…. in my opinion kinda. I only believe this because I believe (could be wrong) America had pretty much destroyed Japan’s military by the time the nukes were to be dropped. We would have invaded if not for the nukes, along with Russia, Korea, and Vietnamese, who we all gave agreements to, if they helped. Japan would have been more torn than Germany was after the war. Japan would have been split at least in two, but if china helped, into three, with two parts communist. Japan wouldn’t have been unified enough to survive. So in my weird opinion there was good that came out of it.

as I said before it was the firebombing that bothers me most. The American government, even today, say that the firebombings were directed at military installations. However, there is plenty of proof to show that America specifically aimed to kill as many civilians as possible. They were cruel, they watched women and children burn to death. This changed the “honor” of war. rather than military against military it truly became state against state, and civilians are free game. The nuke was so powerful it was never used again, but the ideas used in the firebombing has gone on to kill millions.

The firebombings and the nuke killed and injured about the same amount of people. why does it seem that the nuke is the more important topic of Americas failings than the firebombings?

also I mean no disrespect, I hope you can feel this from our conversation thus far :).
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yoshitsunekhan
yoshitsunekhan3 days ago
Thank you for your polite reply.
” It’s the old “everyone is against me” argument.”
It may seem so.
Well,then I ask you “What was the alternative to militarism left for Japan at that time?”.
I have studied long years why Japan waged such aggressive war. Japan tried all the efforts to avoid the war. She sought peaceful way to co-exist until the last. Despite that why Japan waged the war? I have finally gotten the conclusion that Japan had no other way except war at that time.
In such situation how can we call Japan as war starter?

If you could answer correctly,I would accept my wrongness.

In more small question, “If Japan truly had wanted to wage war by her own will,why Japan rushed into the pearl harbor attack without waiting the time when her power gained enough to do so”?
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Brian Doty
Brian Doty3 days ago
I am glade that we have been able to keep a polite conversation :).

However I fear I am about to ruin that because I will answer with my opinion, which indeed has American propaganda. I am open to being wrong :).

I do see Japan as “war starters.” However I do see it was a necessity for Japan. As I understand it, at the time Japan’s island was becoming a bit overcrowded (similar to today). Not only that, but Japan’s resources were drying up. For any society to truly be free it must own its own resources or else be threatened by dictation by others. Japan’s government at the time was also at a very weak point and needed to show power. A government without power is a government that no longer exists. Japan had tried to acquire its resources from Korea and the German islands after ww1, but it just wasn’t enough. China was already split up by the Europeans and because of a lack of unity and numerous other problems China was a mess. Japan seized both the need to quash the Chinese problem and acquire resources.

this leads to your second question. After the invasion of china, America not wanting to compete with a powerful Japan, began to sanction Japan. America’s oil and other materials was now taken away from Japan, which caused a huge strain on the war effort. rather than convincing japan to lay down arms, this only furthered their belief that they need their own resources.

Looking at a map of the world, Japan had two major problems, America and USSR. The USSR had joined Germany in their war effort (at the time). Thus, they joined Germany to neutralize the USSR. Then they needed to deal with America. They could simply hope that America stays away from Asia, however USA sided with Britain before and thus would probably join the war against Germany as before. Japan ( I have forgotten the generals name) decided that if America’s pacific fleet was taken out they would only have the resources to help on the European front.

Pearl Harbor then took place. They did it so early, in hopes of knocking USA out of the Eastern front, because USA obviously would care more about Europe. They were right too, America had the Europe first strategy, Germany first. If everything would have been perfect they would have been right. However many believe Roosevelt knew of the attack and a few things didn’t happen that needed to. The air craft carriers weren’t there. The oil was also more heavily protected meaning the oil reserves were virtually untouched. Japan perpetrated one of the greatest sneak attacks in history. I am always amazed at the brilliance of pearl harbor. However it was just a little bit shy of all the pieces coming together.

I don’t think Japan needlessly attacked other nations. They did it because if they didn’t, they were going to fall due to resources and land limitations.

as I said this is my opinion. I am more than willing to say I am wrong.
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yoshitsunekhan
yoshitsunekhan3 days ago (edited)
It is totally misunderstanding that Japan invaded China to get resources.
In those days about 80% of important material such as oil, iron were imported from USA.

Was Japan so stupid to invade China to take a risk to get embargoed by the USA?

Basically what kind of resources China had ?
In Manchuria, there were only soy beans and numerous poor people with deserted cold land,with a little iron and coal that were insufficient to the national needs of Japan.

Then why Japan “invaded” to China?
This is a little bit complicated. I only answer simply as follows here.

China was totally collapsed country at that time. It was just like now Syria.
When a failured country is next to you, you cannot help dealing with her.
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yoshitsunekhan
yoshitsunekhan3 days ago
> I don’t understand why it is important to say that this did not happen. Please inform me why this is important :).

Let’s go forward step by step. Because all are related each other.
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Brian Doty
Brian Doty3 days ago
If I was to guess Japan invaded China believing America was too deep in the great depression that the USA wouldn’t dare hurt their own economy to punish Japan. In fact, Roosevelt ran on the idea that Herbert Hoover (previous president) screwed up the global market by not allowing USA companies to compete. The idea of sanctioning was actually against Roosevelt’s promises to the people. I don’t believe Japan was stupid, but just gambled and lost. China in all is rich in resources. They have lots of coal and aluminum (I don’t know if they knew that). I don’t know about the areas Japan had invaded, but I believe the intent was to eventually conquer the lands in their entirety. Manchuria was just the best place to began the invasion. The resources and land is why China has always had such a large population. Overall china is rich in resources/minerals ( I don’t think oil/iron though). It was things like a work force, food and other raw materials that Japan was after, and in need of. China was also a neighbor to Russia, which overall was a competitor of Japan. This would give Japan strategic help.

I am of the belief that if Japan was 80% dependent on the USA for oil and iron, that is enough of a reason to try to find resources somewhere else. Japan would be be dependent on another nation. This means Japan would never be free until it was able to supply itself.

The reason why Japan decided to invade at that time? I agree with you, China was collapsing. When you have a collapsed state it will usually turn into chaos, which is dangerous to all their neighbors. Japan had numerous reasons to invade China. It would be harder to argue why Japan shouldn’t have invaded.
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yoshitsunekhan
yoshitsunekhan3 days ago (edited)
You say as if Japan has wanted to invade other countries to get resources from the first. Then what do you explain about “Shidehara diplomacy” which was mainstream of Japanese foreign policy during the 1920s? That was a policy to get along with the world. At least in those days Japanese politicians believed “free trade” and Japan could get great benefit from it especially during WW1. At least nobody in Japan wanted and also now want to invade other country to satisfy our needs.Or do you think Japanese are too selfish by nature to feel no guilty to rob others ?

You seem to believe the conspiracy of “Tanaka memorandum” which has already proven as Chinese propaganda.

Our sole wish is(was) Free trade. We know well we have no resources.That’s why we need peace much more than any other countries.

National character cannot change so easily. We Japanese are not different in deep character from previous generation(even it may deteriorated).
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Brian Doty
Brian Doty2 days ago
“do you think Japanese are too selfish by nature to feel no guilty to rob others ?” I can see how my comments can be seen that way. No, I believe a governments job is to look after their own nation first. Of course the first thing the Japanese (or any other nation’s) government’s thoughts would be “how can I make my nation and my people better off.” Of course peace is desired. Japan doesn’t want war nor does anyone else. However war is necessary sometimes. To say I do not want to fight is weak, but to say I am willing to fight is strength. I believe Japanese people would say they are willing, don’t you agree? We have not yet gotten to a war free world, maybe one day but today ain’t it.

Free trade is desired above all, but free trade is on the condition that everyone involved is happy. This means that all resources are on the condition that your trading partners are happy and not hungry for more power. America will never have to worry about whether their trading partners are happy or not. However, Japan will unfortunately have to worry. Japan is considered as having one of the least resources in the world. Knowing this Japan was either going to accept any term or Japan could respect itself and make sure it gets the best deal. Obviously you would agree that Japan should get the best deal for Japan. A weak nation can not dictate terms.

This is not a critic on Japan, but rather a problem with free and fair trade. Every economic idea has flaws this is a big flaw with free and fair trade. The problem comes from those who are low on resources or unfriendly competition. It has been argued many times that America and the USSR’s cold war hurt the potential of the global economy. Also this is talking about land, this in no way reflects on the Japanese government. The government can not make resources fall from the sky.

an entire race or nation is rarely selfish to the extent that everyone wants war, but the government is made up of individuals that may be selfish. however, in this case no it is not selfishness, it is need. Need and want are hard to distinguish. I would never want to lead my people because the difficulty to distinguish between need and want. You may say “nobody in Japan wanted and also now want to invade other country to satisfy our needs.” However no god can stop a hungry man. If you believe your nation is going to fall or be invaded it is your job to make sure this doesn’t happen. Yes war sometime is necessary for the national security of that nation, this too includes resources.

China was a mess. we agree on this. Japan lacked resources. we agree on that. However where we seem to diverge is when I say Japan considered the fact they had no resources when going to war with china. It is obvious that japan was invading china to stay, do you agree? Again I am not saying this was wrong. If japan only did it for resources than yes I would say this was wrong. However, China had been a problem for a long time. This was an opportunity to settle this for good. I don’t believe this is selfishness or corruptness, it is the unfortunate game of politics. I do say Japan needed to deal with china, but resources were considered.

in 1990 the USA went to war in Iraq (for the first time). We said it was to stop Saddam from invading Kuwait. Later we found out that it wasn’t about a bigger nation (Iraq) invading a smaller country (Kuwait) it was the fact that Kuwait was an oil field that was kind to the west. The war stopped Iraq from needlessly invading another country, but the resources in Kuwait also had a lot to do with it too. That is kinda what I mean. the war can serve two purposes, but resources were on the mind.
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yoshitsunekhan
yoshitsunekhan2 days ago (edited)
You keep saying Japan invaded China to get resource.

You said “Japan invaded Manchuria to get resources”.
I answered “there were no sufficient resources in Manchuria”.

You said “Japan invaded China mainland to get resources more”.
Okay Japan “invaded” China mainland in 1937.

Then I ask you what kind of resources Japan get?
Were they sufficient for her needs? I can say no. Because as I commented until 1941 Japan had to import 80% of important materials from USA.

You said “Japan just gambled and lost”.

Next time you would say Japan planned to invade southeast Asia to get resources.

Is this reasonable answer? It’s just the thing we must call conspiracy.

Tanaka memorandum says as follows.

In order to take over the world, you need to take over Asia;
In order to take over Asia, you need to take over China;
In order to take over China, you need to take over Manchuria and Mongolia.
If we succeed in conquering China, the rest of the Asiatic countries and the South Sea countries will fear us and surrender to us.
Then the world will realize that Eastern Asia is ours.

Your logic is nothing but a copy of this hoax.
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yoshitsunekhan
yoshitsunekhan2 days ago
Now we have came to the point to argue another topic.

You said “Japan invaded China”.
Maybe it was the second sino-Japanese war started in 1937.

But it was Chinese army(Kuomintang) who suddenly firstly attacked residents in Shanghai 13th August 1937, and Japanese navy land forces struck back to defend foreigners safe.

In those days many foreigners expressed their gratitude for the bravery of Japanese soldiers who fought back with far less military powers. It was like a “55 days in pekin”.

This was apparently self-defense action. Why Japan had to be blamed as “invader”?
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Brian Doty
Brian Doty2 days ago
from the top.

“there were no sufficient resources in Manchuria”.

You are wrong Manchuria has resources “Mineral resources, chiefly coal and iron, are concentrated in the southwest; there is a large colliery at Fushun and a large steel mill at Anshan. Magnesite, copper, lead, and zinc are also important, and there is a large oil field at Daqing, NW of Harbin. Uranium and gold deposits
have also been found.” http://www.encyclopedia.com/places/asia/chinese-political-geography/manchuria

“as I commented until 1941 Japan had to import 80% of important materials from USA.”

as I commented, that is reason enough to require more resources THAT JAPAN CONTROLS. Would you be okay if you were only allowed to eat if a stranger (like me) were to decide at what rate you needed food. You would feel as if I enslaved you. That is why you would try to get food elsewhere under your own control.

“Were they sufficient for her needs? I can say no.” Sufficient no. Is a piece of bread sufficient for a starving person, no. But i guarantee you that they would probably kill for that piece of bread.

no god or morality can stop a starving man from obtaining what he needs. Even if it is only a fraction of what is needed.

RESOURCES WAS NOT THE ONLY REASON NOR WAS IT THE MAIN REASON JAPAN INVADED CHINA.

“You said “Japan invaded China mainland to get resources more”. Okay Japan “invaded” China mainland in 1937.”
My point was that the overall goal was to acquire most (if not all) of the Chinese mainland. Do you think wars are committed without having goals in place?

You said “Japan just gambled and lost”.
yeah that’s politics. We do not know the future, every move made is/was a gamble. The gamble I was referring to is that the USA wouldn’t sanction Japan if japan invaded…. This was hotly debated on the senate floor and was barely passed. Japan wasn’t crazy to think the usa would stand down (we almost did). However, the USA did sanction Japan, thus Japan was wrong (lost the gamble).

read this carefully > resources was one of many reasons they needed to invade

“Next time you would say Japan planned to invade southeast Asia to get resources.” yes that was A (one of many) reason, sure.

“Is this reasonable answer? It’s just the thing we must call conspiracy.”
Nothing about two nations killing each other for any reason is reasonable. War is not reasonable it is horrible, it is perhaps the greatest manifestation of humanities evilness. Evilness does not have reasonable reasoning. There are many reasons but none are reasonable. I liked how you put it before, propaganda rather than conspiracy.

invasion = an unwelcome intrusion into another’s domain. If i walk into your house without permission or your wanting me there, this is a small form of invasion. Even if you had people hostage and I was there to save them, that would still be a form of invasion.

China did not want Japan there. Japan had troops in China. By the definition of invasion, Japan invaded china.

In order to take over the world, you need to take over Asia;
In order to take over Asia, you need to take over China;
In order to take over China, you need to take over Manchuria and
Mongolia.
If we succeed in conquering China, the rest of the Asiatic countries and
the South Sea countries will fear us and surrender to us.
Then the world will realize that Eastern Asia is ours.

that sounds great, but…… You refer to power and control. I did not say Japan wanted to control asia. I said Japan wanted the resources of China, but mainly TO GET CHINA TO NO LONGER BE A THREAT TO JAPAN’S NATIONAL SECURITY. It seems you don’t understand the deference in controlling a nation and extracting its resources. Agreed controlling a nation would make extracting its resources easier, but there is a deference.

I am beginning to get upset. You seem to want me to say…. Japan is evil they were greedy and wanted to take over Asia for their own selfish reasons….. I am saying that japan was justified in needing to normalize and neutralize the threat that was china, but as a side note Japan needed resources. I will not subscribe to the idea that japan was pure or evil. I am sorry, but every move had a selfless and selfish motive (at the same time). Yes the Japanese are smart enough to think of two things at once.

why is it wrong to defend yourself and your own interests. You seem to be saying that Japan was too weak and afraid to look after their own interests.

Invasion does not imply selfishness. If you don’t understand that, there is no saving this conversation. Invasion is unwelcome military action. The government of china (who represented china) did not want Japan there. It is then classified as an invasion. No matter the reason why they were there, they were not wanted by the government. Invasions are not by definition bad.

No doubt “Japanese navy land forces struck back to defend foreigners safe.” was one of many reasons they invaded. Do you believe Japan is so dumb that they can only think or care about one thing at a time? Do you think japan can not think of themselves while also thinking of others?

“In those days many foreigners expressed their gratitude for the bravery of Japanese soldiers who fought back with far less military powers.” And many didn’t appreciate it. I’m sorry but that is a lame argument.

You are saying while Japan had their military inside of another country, residents of the occupied country say they appreciated their invaders. Well it definitely couldn’t be they were scared of Japan or were trying to create a narrative themselves.

While USA was preforming Iraqi freedom, many Iraqi’s told troops of their appreciation (had flags threw flowers at their feet)… when press and politicians asked them, they said the exact opposite (even tried to throw a shoe at the president).

Yes people lie for their own self interest.

I do not mean to come across mad, however I feel that you are beginning to misrepresent my position you seem to want me to have a position I do not hold. Please watch that because I believe we were having an interesting conversation :). I do not see japan as evil. This almost seems to bother you. Do you want me to believe Japan was evil? If not let me tell you now, I will never believe that any nation is entirely pure or evil. Look forward to your response to all this :). also if you are having a hard time with my English please ask for me to clarify, I’d rather clarify than for you to have to assume you know what I meant.
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Brian Doty2 days ago
also, these times were different than today. up to 30 countries had already started putting harsher terms on trade with Japan. China had started an anti-japan movement and was effecting Japan’s economy. Anywhere you look for japan’s resources it all says fish. Shortly before the war, the league of nations and the usa had put a ban and punishment on whaling and other types of fishing. Japan was bleeding. Japan was broke going broker every day. If Japan didn’t invade and just hoped for the best, there would be no Japan. That is what general MacArthur was referring to when he said this was war of self defense for Japan. If Japan didn’t invade or try something, the entire government should had been ousted. You seem to think Japan was on easy street during these days. It is the complete opposite.

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The job of our representatives or governments is to fight for our best interest, hopefully without war, but if necessary will go to war for the survival of that nation. I love the Japanese culture and find its history fascinating, however Japan the island is a horrible place for a nation to exist. I am sorry but Japan was in economic hell at this point in its history. Yes resources was a big consideration.

China on the other hand. “The country has about 12 percent of the world’s mineral resources, with only the United States and Russia possessing larger proportions. There are sizeable reserves of coal, iron, tin, copper, lead, zinc, molybdenum, tungsten, mercury, graphite, antimony, magnesite, fluorspar, and other” britannica

to think that japan would ignore the fact that their economy was disappearing is just dumb. To think that they just ignored the fact that china had tons of resources is also dumb. You said “In those days many foreigners expressed their gratitude for the bravery of Japanese soldiers.” many said the opposite that’s picking and choosing sources for your position.

I am willing to say my sources may have been lying and may have been trying to maintain a narrative. The reason why I am bothered by your side of this argument is most people on your side of the argument is unwilling to admit, that the possibility their sources are unreliable exists.

we may believe we know everything, but the truth is that we know nothing. we assume everything and without questioning our own beliefs will remain ignorant of the truth.

I may be wrong about everything. Would you say the same on this subject?
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yoshitsunekhan
yoshitsunekhan2 days ago
If I had made you upset, I apologize. You seem earnest student in history. That’s why I want you to know the truth.

I think we should begin from the first.

Japan enjoyed a peaceful life until Commodore Perry’s Black Ships came.
Before and after that Japan was threatened by Russia.
Russia was so greedy to expand her territory to Siberia, Manchuria.
Finally, they began to aim at Korean peninsula to get ice-free ports.

In geopolitical it was a great crisis for Japan.

That’s why Korean peninsula became a critical problem for Japan.

Japan made great effort to make Korea an independent, strong country. Of course it was not out of kindness. Japan wanted to made Korea a barrier against Russia.

In those days all Asia were pillaged by Western colonialism.

Japan wanted China and Korea to ally and repel western colonialism together.

That’s why Japan called on them and said “Wake up! Pirates came. Your house is burnt. Let’s fight back together!”.

However, they replied “Don’t bother me.I am sleepy!”.

Then Japan made her mind to deal with the crisis by herself.

Now I must return to the first question to ask you when Japan made mistake on her way? What alternative to the militarism Japan had?
If you are to become a historian, you should solve this question.

Two more tips.

1. Why Japanese troops were in China?
It was because of Boxer Protocol.
China was in so much chaos since the last age of Qing dynasty. She lost her power to maintain public peace completely. That’s why foreign countries had to send their troops to save their resident. Even the European countries asked Japan to send more troops, because it was too far from China to send their own troops.
However, you should know there were not only Japanese troops, but also other nations troops advanced in China in those days.

2. Why USA had to advance their troops into Korean peninsula after Japan was defeated?
It was almost for the geopolitical reason why Japan annexed Korean peninsula and established Manchuria. Of course I don’t say there was never for resources at all, but it was a little part of it.Almost of them were for geopolitical reason.There are common reason forJapan and USA, that is to defend from Communism.
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yoshitsunekhan2 days ago
I am a little bit confused.

As you know until now Japan has been blamed as “war starter”.
That’s why we are trying to find the alternative to war, more peaceful way, so earnestly.

But you say it was unavoidable for Japan to invade another country because Japan is a resourceless country. And you say there was no good nor bad.

Then why not blame British who invaded so many countries to get resources for hundreds years, why not blame USA who robbed the whole continent from native American for their selfish greed?
Why only Japan has to be kept being blamed forever?
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Brian Doty1 day ago (edited)
“Before and after that Japan was threatened by Russia.” I agree. Russia had been growing for centuries and was beginning to focus on Asia which threatened Japan.

they replied “Don’t bother me.I am sleepy!”. I love it I laughed hard at that one. I agree I with this too.

Korea is a strange area. Korea is unreliable. It was used by the Chinese as a barrier (still is). I agree Japan needed Korea as a barrier as well. You are absolutely right. I can’t find who said it but, it was said if the communist get Korea than japan will be doomed. That is why it’s divided today. Also one of many reasons both Japan and USA hate the North Koreans so much today.

when Japan made mistake on her way?

now we are talking about where we will strongly disagree. Japan used cruel actions in order to make up for their weak military. I only say weak because all the different enemies Japan was dealing with at the time.

It is a common practice to try to destroy your enemy with harsh moves in order to scare all other enemies. A bunny with a machine gun scares no one, but a wolf who had killed others scares all.

Also it is the cruelty of history. Japan lost, which made them “the reason” for war. Is it right or just, no, but that does seem to be the case throughout history.

“Then why not blame British who invaded so many countries to get resources for hundreds years, why not blame USA who robbed the whole continent from native American for their selfish greed? Why only Japan has to be kept being blamed forever?”

History is a cruel, cruel beast. Time heals all wounds is all I got. The British let go of their empire and because of that they were essentially given a free pass for its past. The USA is blamed for killing off just about all the native Americans, but again time heals all wounds. These are not good reasons, but it does seem to be the reason why their blame is so much less.

Both of these are out of the “now times.” Most people will say the age of information/technology started with WW2. Japans wars were unfortunately at the beginning of these “new times.”

Let me ask you do you still blame the mongols for Genghis Khan? Do you still blame Alexander the Great for his destruction or Rome for their destruction.

If you was to compare to closer events you will see there is still blame. For instance, America is still heavily blamed for Vietnam war. Britain is still chastised for India. China is blamed for, well pick a neighbor. If you look throughout the cold war the USSR and the USA is very much blamed throughout, for just about every move made.

The Japanese war we are discussing was only 70 or so years ago. Their are people alive today that remember that war. I believe it may take another generation but the blame will stop. It has already begun. When an American is asked what makes them think of Japan they usually answer…. animated shows (anime) big monsters (Godzilla) tons of technology (computers to robots) and techno music… I think of Shigeru Miyamoto (mario and zelda) but that’s just me :p. My point is, it is Japanese culture rather than the sins.

Ask an American about Germany you will get two words. Hitler and holocaust. I doubt in my lifetime I will not see Hitler and holocaust when I think of Germany.

So I do think it is headed in the right direction, unfortunately it is slow. It does not help that Japan seems to deny the horrors of the war.

what do you think? Do you think we are heading in the right direction or do you think Japan is as blamed today as they were right after the war.
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Brian Doty1 day ago (edited)
You seem to think Americans hate the Japanese or something let me explain something…. You are more critical for those you care most about. I can’t think of a culture that has had as much of an impact on the USA than japan. We look at japan as the ones who advanced technology so rapidly. We look at Japan as the true beginners of video games(pacman then Nintendo then sony playstation). We look at japan at awe of their sense of honor. Most of our music beats are heavily influenced by Japanese music. I mean my god I don’t know where the USA would be without Pokemon :p. This may seem silly, but Americans are about our culture, our entertainment, our happiness. We care far more about what our entertainers are doing than our politicians.

When Ulysses s Grant (the general who won the American civil war) traveled the world at the end of the 1800’s, it was japan that he said had the most respect for him and had more honor than all of Europe. We do not criticize Japan out of hate it is the opposite. we love Japan. Japan is one of the most wanted places to travel by Americans. also lets be real Japanese women are some of the most beautiful in all of the world. It is the Japanese women we use in order to express mathematical beauty.

Do not think that it is out of hate, it is out of love that we criticize your present and past. Trust me I am most passionate about the failings of America than any other country, this is because I love my home.
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yoshitsunekhan23 hours ago (edited)
Thank you for enjoying our argument.

I love American. American is very cheerful and open minded. We are also grateful for their generous policy in occupying Japan.

But before WW2, she was different from now. America was one of the racist countries. The colored including Japanese were publicly discriminated.

Do you know it was Japan who proposed Racial Equality Proposal firstly in world history?

It was in Paris Peace Conference 1919.The ayes had it. But it was rejected by Chairman Woodrow Wilson,president of the USA.

Do you know “open door policy against China” declared by John Hay, the Secretary of State in 1899.

Why did they so?

Because USA wanted to cut in “the battle of dividing China”.

USA aimed especially at Manchuria.

After the Russo-Japanese war, American industrialist Henry Harriman proposed co-operation of South Manchurian railway to Japan. But Japan rejected.

It was since that time the friction between USA and Japan fueled up.

USA began to regard Japan as an imaginary enemy.

In short, since the declaration of open door policy, Japan and USA had opposed each other in ruling Manchuria. The pacific war was the inevitable result of it.

Unless the knowledge about these background, we cannot decode the history nor cannot get wisdom.

I am never hostile to America, nor American.We fought tooth and nail. Now we are best friend each other. We love America. There are no more hostile between us.

The PROBLEM is CHINA.

You had better to be more careful for Chinese cunnings.

China is now utilizing “Japanese war crimes” as a political tool.

The logic in it is as follows.

Japan was cruel invader. We Chinese Communist Party repelled them to save Chinese.Therefore, we are your savior.We are the justice hero sent by the God. Because we are justice,we have justice right to manage justice violence.That’s why we have right to LIBERATE(slaughter) Tibetan, Uigur who antagonizes justice. We also have right to oppress Chinese civil rights activists.

We can see the strategy in it who rules past can rule present, who rules present can rule the future.

We have to be aware China has intention to rule their people, their peripheral people, and the whole world with using Japanese war crimes as their excuse of evil intention.

This is a deliberate propaganda war waged by China. This is a preliminary skirmish of full scale war in the future.

China is trying to take over the world by dominating history.

I think it is also an important task for the historian to neutralize or destroy such evil propaganda by pointing out the lie of the story.

If we had power to save the people who are suffering now, to prevent the war from repeating, why don’t we do so? I think the task of historian is not only being indulged in the romanticism of the past.
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yoshitsunekhan23 hours ago
>Japan used cruel actions in order to make up for their weak military.

You say Japanese army committed cruel actions? Nanking Massacre?

Then, if Nanking Massacre was false, how do you do?

In the beginning, I said Nanking Massacre was a “pardon” for USA. As I explained it was a “pardon” for China too.

The more Nanking Massacre became cruel, the more the pardon became effective.

I don’t want to dive into the topic of Nanking Massacre now. Because we have argued so many. If you want, I will explain in more detail.

History is not one. There are numerous history in each person’s brain. It is another fun in studying history to find and look those different landscapes from another angle, isn’t it?
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Brian Doty20 hours ago (edited)
starting from the top.

“But before WW2, she was different from now. America was one of the racist countries. The colored including Japanese were publicly discriminated.”

America had the classic problem that most countries have, an inflated sense of their worth. Every country who comes up with a new idea believes they are the chosen people. Yeah America hated pretty much everyone. If you weren’t from a handful of countries we hated you. It wasn’t necessarily about being white cause we hated the Irish too.

Do you know it was Japan who proposed Racial Equality Proposal firstly in world history?

uhm, yes in recent history, I believe you are correct. However, it may come to a surprise to you that this is not always a good boast. In world history two of the most egalitarian societies were the Assyrians and Spartans. Both were military nations. Their belief was that if you bled red than you were good to fight for us. For what ever reason when a nation becomes militaristic it has no time to be racist. Not saying this was the case for Japan, but it isn’t always a good boast because of patterns laid down in previous world history.

“It was in Paris Peace Conference 1919.The ayes had it. But it was rejected by Chairman Woodrow Wilson,president of the USA.”

you have part of that right. Woodrow Wilson didn’t believe Britain would live up to it and didn’t want it passed without complete agreement. Wilson made it where the movement had to unanimous. Wilson was right because Britain and Australia rejected in order to keep Australia white. Britain was a big part of why japan pushed for the equality and if they voted against it there was a good chance they wouldn’t have followed it. It would have been better for it to have failed and try again then for it to pass and not be followed.

However Wilson was kinda racist. He was a child during the American civil war and was in a rebel state growing up, thus had resentment toward “the other races.” however at the same time he made Jack Pershing the supreme commander during ww1, who was hated by most whites because he openly worked with black people.

And yes this was one of many ways that the west pushed Japan away from the league of nations.

“USA aimed especially at Manchuria.”

I know, Manchuria was attractive to everyone. You think America was brain dead. The usa was in a place where it felt if it didn’t act now Europe would already have all of Asia divided before they got involved.

“It was since that time the friction between USA and Japan fueled up.”

No. I mean your kind of right. I think the friction started when people like Teddy Roosevelt looked at the pacific as a potential threat that the friction started. Japan was the only true military strength, that was also competent and willing to fight off the Europeans.

“USA began to regard Japan as an imaginary enemy.”

I think threat is the better word there, but usually a threat becomes an enemy.

“In short, since the declaration of open door policy, Japan and USA had opposed each other in ruling Manchuria. The pacific war was the inevitable result of it.”

yeah, more or less, Japan and the USA both wanted pieces of China. Inevitable war is a funny thing. America has been inevitable to go to war with Russia since the 1940’s, China since the 1950’s, Iran since the 1970’s, North Korea since the 1990’s, and Syria for the last 10 years. None of these wars have happened, but are nonetheless inevitable. It’s all about when “shit hits the fan” if you understand the phrase.

“We love America. There are no more hostile between us.”

Glade to hear :).

The PROBLEM is CHINA.

ha ha yeah we have been singing that tune for a long time too. No one seems to care. If there is to be a new world war it will not be Russia that pushes the world there, it will be china.

“We Chinese Communist Party repelled them to save Chinese.Therefore, we are your savior.”

I know the west doesn’t buy that. Does the other Asian countries buy that? That is insane. China being “Asia’s savior” has nothing to do with policies of today.

“I think it is also an important task for the historian to neutralize or destroy such evil propaganda by pointing out the lie of the story.” “I think the task of historian is not only being indulged in the romanticism of the past.”

The problem is narrative. The Chinese want to use Japanese war crimes as an excuse to take over more land. Japan uses the denial of war crimes to cleanse their past. The USA uses them to justify their own war crimes. There are no neutral parties.

In the past we would look at Asian historians to tell us about Rome or Greece, the reason is at the time they were so removed from caring that they would more than likely speak the truth. There are no historian you could find that would be completely neutral. A true historian’s task is to be the gate keeper of all pasts. The first thing you learn is there is not one history, but many (as you point out). Each historian must argue in order to fight for his/her discovered history. The truth is buried, never to be revealed. We are all waiting for that time machine to prove our suspicions, but for now we are doomed to assume.

My point is that no one will know for certain. Thus you must be willing to know both sides and find the truth revealed unto you.

I do not claim to know the truth, but I have an idea, and I will argue my idea until reasonably convinced otherwise. I have done research on the idea that japan was falsely accused (obviously or I wouldn’t be watching this video) I have not been convinced.

“You say Japanese army committed cruel actions? Nanking Massacre?”

there were others, unit 731 comes to mind. That wasn’t it. I misrepresented my own point. I meant that japan was harsh and swift. Which isn’t unusual, japan had many enemies, they had to strike fast and hard. you also seem to be avoiding the topic of Nanking, you seem to want the conversation to lead us there. If that is the case I look forward to that eventuality.

“History is not one. There are numerous history in each person’s brain. It is another fun in studying history to find and look those different landscapes from another angle, isn’t it?”

Agreed :). That is the beauty and horror of history, nothing is concrete it is like water when you believe you have it in your hand it pours out the sides.
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yoshitsunekhan19 hours ago
Please research 易姓革命 that is an old Chinese political thought that is revolution (change of dynasty) decreed by Heaven when the incumbent emperor is found lacking in moral virtue.

At least Chinese value it, the authority of the regime. That’s why Chinese government has been so eager to imprint anti-Japan education on to their people. Chinese Communist Government, which was built by violence and terrorism, not by democracy stands on the ground of authority that they are the savior to save Chinese from evil Japanese. They need excuses to hide their truth of birth.

The west doesn’t buy that?

“Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past”.
I think this is a word from George Orwell…

You seem not to be free from prejudice that Japan was evil.

You say “the fact is in the mist. So I stop to judge now”.

If I were in a position of Information war division in Chinese government, I would say “I did it!”.

Now most people in the world have same thought that Japan was evil. It is as if the pointer of scales named “justice” indicates for China favor.

In this situation, to suspend judgement means not to move the pointer of the scales.
Not to move the pointer means Chinese side win. Chinese propaganda get victory.

Don’t forget this is not a problem of history. This is a problem of PROPAGANDA.

Indian Justice in Tokyo trial,Pal said.

“When time shall have softened passion and prejudice, when Reason
shall have stripped the mask from misrepresentation, then justice,
holding evenly her scales, will require much of past censure and
praise to change places.”
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yoshitsunekhan18 hours ago
Nanking Massacre is a fabrication. I can refute it definitely.

At that time the population of Nanking was about 200,000. Why Japanese army could kill 300,000?

Do you know the reformed government of China, which was established on 28th March 1938.

Why and how such administrative organ could be established and needed in such killing field?
Why Chinese never escaped from such hell-like city?
When Nanking city recovered from the historical greatest massacre? It was fact Nanking city enjoyed great prosperity from 1938 to 1945 under the Japanese rule. Why?

You must know Chinese has traditional custom to exaggerate everything. They even never care to tell a lie.

For example, in Yellow river flood incident Chinese government tried to put the blame onto Japanese army, but debunked the truth by western journalists.

I can’t say about 731unit. Because we cannot have enough sources.
However, I can make a propaganda video that the USA are committing human experiments in medical university. (In fact USA did the Tuskegee syphilis experiment).

China is notorious for its Organ Trade. Such country blame Japan by 731 unit.
Korea is notorious for its Prostitution and kidnapping. Such country blame Japan by Comfort women.

Do you think it’s funny?
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yoshitsunekhan
yoshitsunekhan18 hours ago
I am sorry to say, your perspective is already chained down by “who controls the past”.
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kuinosenmonkey
kuinosenmonkey11 hours ago
Brian, you are an owner of the talent to speak a nonsense thing for a long time.
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Brian Doty
Brian Doty10 hours ago (edited)
I am sorry to say, your perspective is already chained down by “who controls the past”.

Brian, you are an owner of the talent to speak a nonsense thing for a long time.

this is my problem with talking to conspiracy theorist. I try to have a conversation in good faith. I am then told I am being dictated by my western superiors and told I am speaking nonsense. I bid you farewell. I am tired of the conversation around every corner being told I am wrong or intentionally misguiding the facts. Please I suggest you both do a lot of research because I got to say 90% of your argument is not based in reality or backed by research. I spent three posts having to argue that Manchuria had resources, then I had to argue china had resources, then I had to explain why having 80% of your resources coming from somewhere else is a bad situation. These are not debatable, these are facts.

I gave a nice little speech about the American’s love for Japan and am responded with, you know America was racist right. obviously you have a problem with the west, with the facts and a problem with the Japanese propaganda which are trying to cleanse themselves of their wicked ways of the past.

You keep saying china and America use this to screw japan. HOW. After japan fucked up we’ve been countering china. It makes very little sense that two great enemies would believe the same propaganda. I mean America hid a lot of the Japanese that did these atrocities. Yeah that makes America look real good (sarcasm).

I said a while back, I am willing to say I may be wrong and asked if you would be willing to do the same. You didn’t even acknowledge that the question was asked. This tells a person of intellectual integrity there is something wrong with your argument. This is because it is a test to see how much you believe in this topic. I feel that this argument is the equivalent of trying to tell a religious person that God doesn’t exist. That is how much you seem to believe your own story.

I hope you do your research. I hope you are willing to see the perspective of others. Because I sure didn’t feel that you took my perspective. Instead you were fighting to be right, I was fighting to understand why you thought the way you did.

You tried using being a historian to shame me. My country to make me feel guilt. And only answer a small fraction of the questions I would ask. You also took my meaning and twisted them many time to fit a narrative you want me to hold. In a debate each one of these are reason to stop a conversation.

I am sorry to say, your perspective is already chained down by “who controls the past”.
this did that for me.
It seems to be you that is chained down by the education system you are taught.

America learns about how we killed the native Americans. We learn we dropped the bomb. About Vietnam. about slavery and Jim crow laws. We are taught of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment. We are taught of operation paper clip. we are taught of McCarthyism. we are taught of the Iran contra. we are taught the Watergate scandal. we are taught the evil we commit.

Japan’s education system….. here is a perspective on Japan’s history classes.

“There was one page on what is known as the Mukden incident, when Japanese soldiers blew up a railway in Manchuria in China in 1931. There was one page on other events leading up to the Sino-Japanese war in
1937 – including one line, in a footnote, about the massacre that took place when Japanese forces invaded Nanjing – the Nanjing Massacre, or Rape of Nanjing.”
“Former history teacher and scholar Tamaki Matsuoka holds Japan’s education system responsible for a number of the country’s foreign relations difficulties. “Our system has been creating young people who get annoyed by all the complaints that China and South Korea make about war atrocities because they are not taught what they are
complaining about,” she said. “It is very dangerous because some of them may resort to the internet to get more information and then they start believing the nationalists’ views that Japan did nothing wrong.”
We spend years studying our failing as well as our great moments. I hope Japan will come out of the shadows and do the same instead of indoctrinating their children with falsehoods or the lack of knowledge. Or at least teach them how to look at events through another person’s eyes.

I hope for you the best. We may disagree, but that does not mean I wish you harm. 🙂 PEACE OUT!
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Brian Doty6 hours ago (edited)
I hate internet conversations because it ends up being a bunch of monkeys throwing shit. I want you to reread our conversation and note that I never said Japan’s war had anything to do with racial superiority even though there is plenty of evidence to show that was a major problem is Japan. I never said Japan was racist. I didn’t feel it was my place to say that………

“A new survey carried out by Japan’s Justice Ministry reveals that nearly a third of foreign residents in Japan say they have experienced derogatory remarks because of their racial background, while about 40%
have suffered housing discrimination. Of the 18,500 foreigners surveyed, 4,252 responded, the majority identified as Chinese and Korean. Over 40% had lived in Japan for more than a decade.”

“One in four job seekers said they were denied employment because of being foreign, and one in five believed they were paid less than their Japanese counterparts for similar work.”

“At their core, both kinds of racism are rooted in a false narrative of Japanese uniqueness and racial purity. In 1889, the Meiji constitution established a state based on the notion that the Emperor was a direct
descendant of the “original” Yamato clan, and that all Japanese were organically related to the emperor, giving birth to the idea of a single, homogeneous, racial identity. ”

“After the 1923 Great Kantō earthquake, incensed by rumours that “Koreans are poisoning the wells” and “Koreans will attack us,” Japanese vigilantes murdered thousands of Koreans and hundreds of Chinese. Even today these ethnic groups are subject to similar “panic” rumours made more pernicious by social media. In 2014, for example, mudslides in the Hiroshima Prefecture led to false allegations of burglaries of evacuated homes by zainichi, as ethnic Koreans in Japan are called.”

“More than 1,150 hate speech rallies were held in Japan between April 2012 and September 2015, according to data previously released by the justice ministry.”

“The ruling was introduced in a 1984 amendment to define Japan as a jus sanguinis country, one that bases citizenship on blood, not birthplace. This makes it all the more difficult for hafus to strike a balance when embracing their mixed heritage with a Japanese upbringing.”

yes japan is a great nation, but stop acting as if it has the moral high ground when it comes to racism. I felt attacked throughout our conversation. I hope that when you find another american to speak with they will treat your home the way you treated mine. Japan is great…. BUT WAS/IS RACIST. BLEHHHH! Did you know Japan was sooooo racist my god how sad! :/
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yoshitsunekhan57 minutes ago
“that Manchuria had resources, then I had to argue china had resources, then I had to explain why having 80% of your resources coming from somewhere else is a bad situation. These are not debatable, these are facts.”

Your fact indicates only there were some resources in Manchuria and China mainland. Of course it was fact. But the problem here is whether the VOLUME of the resources in Manchuria and China mainland were sufficient for Japan’s national needs or those were so attractive to dare taking risks to be embargoed by the USA. The point here is ABSOLUTE volume not comparative volume. You are intentionally changing the point and escaping from the argument. Is it such little sincerity of you for studying?

”trying to cleanse themselves of their wicked ways of the past. ”
I never tried to cleanse. I just ask you if Japan made a mistake, teach me alternative. However, you said Japan had no alternative. When people had no alternative, is it a justice behavior to blame him to choose the sole choice?

“You keep saying china and America use this to screw japan. ”
It is not only the problem for Japan but also for the USA. China’s real target is USA! Wake up!

“HOW. After japan fucked up we’ve been countering china.”
It was USA who invited it. Douglas MacArthur himself confessed “Because we defeated Japan, we have to take a duty to defend Korean peninsula and Asia from Communism”.

” I hope you are willing to see the perspective of others.”
I understand your perspective fully, because I have believed it from Childhood for decades.

“we are taught the evil we commit.”
Then what do you do now? You are just repeating the evil again and again. Are you to be given a pardon to repeat same evilness every time if only you confess your evilness before your priest?

I thought you had enough intelligence and sincerity to understand there are other ideas.

I might have just harmed you. I am sorry. I apologize. You can hate me, but please don’t hate all Japanese.

Thank you for wasting long time with me. I pray you will achieve in your study.
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Brian Doty45 minutes agoHighlighted reply
I thought you had enough intelligence and sincerity to understand there are other ideas.

no I am far too dumb and insincere to understand there are other ideas.

I might have just harmed you. I am sorry. I apologize. You can hate me, but please don’t hate all Japanese.

yes because I dictate my beliefs of a group of people based off of one individual. I also hate people who disagree.

Thank you for wasting long time with me. I pray you will achieve in your study.

Yes conversation in which you disagree is a waste of time.

Do you see what I mean. I hope you the best as well :).
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